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x265 thumbnail problem - ssdde - 30.05.2020

when open Hybrid, using the x265 all default settings to encode, the encoded MP4 file has two problem

1) the file in windows explorer can't display thumbnails. The left is x265, right is x264

[Image: VK7qiAlzIB4hcLC.jpg]


2) in Potplayer, when hover on the progress bar, can't display the thumbnails

x265:
[Image: VZrbeSOyLshUuDi.jpg]



x264:
[Image: kRMCpb8vteH4PiK.jpg]

is there a way to fix, thanks


RE: x265 thumbnail problem - Selur - 30.05.2020

Moved the thread since it has nothing to do with Hybrid.
1st is a problem in Windows Explorer: Personally I would add a cover to the mp4 file. Automatically generated preview thumbnails of Windows need to have a decoder which is supported by windows. If I remember correctly folks install 'MediaPreview' or 'Icaros' for this.
2nd is a problem of PotPlayer: wild guess would be that it's a problem with the decoder used; iirc CUDA Decoder doesn't work with this feature, but you better ask in the PotPlayer forum. (https://potplayer.daum.net/forum/)

Cu Selur


RE: x265 thumbnail problem - ssdde - 30.05.2020

(30.05.2020, 08:39)Selur Wrote: Moved the thread since it has nothing to do with Hybrid.
1st is a problem in Windows Explorer: Personally I would add a cover to the mp4 file. Automatically generated preview thumbnails of Windows need to have a decoder which is supported by windows. If I remember correctly folks install 'MediaPreview' or 'Icaros' for this.
2nd is a problem of PotPlayer: wild guess would be that it's a problem with the decoder used; iirc CUDA Decoder doesn't work with this feature, but you better ask in the PotPlayer forum. (https://potplayer.daum.net/forum/)

Cu Selur


but x264 mp4 file is no problem, and i've already using Icaros, only x265 encoded by hybrid has this problem, other x265 movie is no problem.

and the same , other x265 media files on my computer not has this issue, only x265 made by Hybrid has the issue. help me


and can you send me the newest dev version to try? with FineDehalo


RE: x265 thumbnail problem - Selur - 30.05.2020

Wild: guess might be related to openGop
To be sure post the Info MediaInfo reports for 'Encoding Settings' for a H.265 file that works and one that does not.
Some decoders have problems with openGop and mp4 H.265 files.

Cu Selur


RE: x265 thumbnail problem - ssdde - 30.05.2020

(30.05.2020, 12:00)Selur Wrote: Wild: guess might be related to openGop
To be sure post the Info MediaInfo reports for 'Encoding Settings' for a H.265 file that works and one that does not.
Some decoders have problems with openGop and mp4 H.265 files.

Cu Selur


this is the file with thumbnail problem x265 By Hybrid info

概要
完整名称                                    : D:\X\dvd\x265 test\41-x265 test.mp4
格式                                      : hev1
编解码器ID                                  : hev1 (iso4/hev1)
文件大小                                    : 1.09 GiB
持续时间                                    : 47 分 3 秒
平均混合码率                                  : 3 327 kb/s
编码日期                                    : UTC 2020-05-28 16:06:10
标记日期                                    : UTC 2020-05-28 16:06:10
编码程序                                    : Hybrid 2020.04.02.1

视频
ID                                      : 1
格式                                      : HEVC
格式/信息                                    : High Efficiency Video Coding
格式概况                                    : Main 10@L5.1@High
编解码器ID                                  : hev1
编解码器ID/信息                                : High Efficiency Video Coding
持续时间                                    : 47 分 3 秒
码率                                      : 2 938 kb/s
最大码率                                    : 28.1 Mb/s
宽度                                      : 1 920 像素
高度                                      : 1 080 像素
画面比例                                    : 16:9
帧率模式                                    : 恒定
帧率                                      : 59.940 (60000/1001) 帧/秒
色彩空间                                    : YUV
色度抽样                                    : 4:2:0
位深                                      : 10 位
数据密度【码率/(像素×帧率)】                        : 0.024
流大小                                      : 989 MiB (88%)
编码函数库                                    : x265 3.3+2-gbe2d82093:[Windows][GCC 9.2.0][64 bit] 10bit
编码设置                                    : cpuid=1111039 / frame-threads=4 / numa-pools=16 / wpp / no-pmode / no-pme / no-psnr / no-ssim / log-level=2 / input-csp=1 / input-res=1920x1080 / interlace=0 / total-frames=0 / level-idc=51 / high-tier=1 / uhd-bd=0 / ref=3 / no-allow-non-conformance / no-repeat-headers / annexb / aud / hrd / info / hash=0 / no-temporal-layers / no-open-gop / min-keyint=1 / keyint=60 / gop-lookahead=0 / bframes=4 / b-adapt=2 / b-pyramid / bframe-bias=0 / rc-lookahead=20 / lookahead-slices=0 / scenecut=40 / hist-scenecut=0 / radl=0 / no-splice / no-intra-refresh / ctu=64 / min-cu-size=8 / no-rect / no-amp / max-tu-size=32 / tu-inter-depth=1 / tu-intra-depth=1 / limit-tu=0 / rdoq-level=2 / dynamic-rd=0.00 / ssim-rd / signhide / no-tskip / nr-intra=0 / nr-inter=0 / no-constrained-intra / strong-intra-smoothing / max-merge=3 / limit-refs=0 / limit-modes / me=1 / subme=2 / merange=57 / temporal-mvp / no-frame-dup / no-hme / weightp / no-weightb / no-analyze-src-pics / deblock=-1:-1 / sao / no-sao-non-deblock / rd=3 / selective-sao=4 / no-early-skip / no-rskip / no-fast-intra / no-tskip-fast / no-cu-lossless / b-intra / no-splitrd-skip / rdpenalty=0 / psy-rd=2.50 / psy-rdoq=10.00 / no-rd-refine / no-lossless / cbqpoffs=-2 / crqpoffs=-2 / rc=abr / bitrate=2869 / qcomp=0.60 / qpstep=4 / stats-write=0 / stats-read=0 / vbv-maxrate=160000 / vbv-bufsize=160000 / vbv-init=0.9 / ipratio=1.40 / pbratio=1.30 / aq-mode=1 / aq-strength=0.00 / cutree / zone-count=0 / no-strict-cbr / qg-size=32 / no-rc-grain / qpmax=69 / qpmin=0 / no-const-vbv / sar=0 / overscan=0 / videoformat=5 / range=0 / colorprim=1 / transfer=1 / colormatrix=1 / chromaloc=0 / display-window=0 / cll=0,0 / min-luma=0 / max-luma=1023 / log2-max-poc-lsb=8 / vui-timing-info / vui-hrd-info / slices=1 / opt-qp-pps / opt-ref-list-length-pps / no-multi-pass-opt-rps / scenecut-bias=0.05 / hist-threshold=0.01 / no-opt-cu-delta-qp / no-aq-motion / no-hdr10 / no-hdr10-opt / no-dhdr10-opt / no-idr-recovery-sei / analysis-reuse-level=0 / analysis-save-reuse-level=0 / analysis-load-reuse-level=0 / scale-factor=0 / refine-intra=0 / refine-inter=0 / refine-mv=1 / refine-ctu-distortion=0 / limit-sao / ctu-info=0 / no-lowpass-dct / refine-analysis-type=0 / copy-pic=1 / max-ausize-factor=1.0 / no-dynamic-refine / no-single-sei / no-hevc-aq / no-svt / no-field / qp-adaptation-range=1.00 / no-scenecut-aware-qpconformance-window-offsets / right=0 / bottom=0
语言                                      : 英语 (English)
编码日期                                    : UTC 2020-05-28 16:06:10
标记日期                                    : UTC 2020-05-28 16:06:19
色彩范围                                    : Limited
基色                                      : BT.709
传输特质                                    : BT.709
矩阵系数                                    : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

音频
ID                                      : 2
格式                                      : AC-3
格式/信息                                    : Audio Coding 3
格式名称                                    : Dolby Digital
编解码器ID                                  : ac-3
持续时间                                    : 47 分 3 秒
源时长                                      : 47 分 3 秒
码率模式                                    : 恒定(CBR)
码率                                      : 384 kb/s
最大码率                                    : 406 kb/s
声道                                      : 6 声道
ChannelLayout                            : L R C LFE Ls Rs
采样率                                      : 48.0 kHz
帧率                                      : 31.250 帧/秒 (1536 SPF)
压缩模式                                    : 有损压缩
流大小                                      : 129 MiB (12%)
源流大小                                    : 129 MiB (12%)
标题                                      : Surround 5.1
语言                                      : 中文 (Chinese)
服务类别                                    : Complete Main
编码日期                                    : UTC 2020-05-28 16:06:19
标记日期                                    : UTC 2020-05-28 16:06:19

菜单
00:00:00.000                            : Chapter 01
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00:23:56.635                            : Chapter 03
00:35:59.157                            : Chapter 04





this is another x265 file info, without problem

概要
唯一ID                                    : 168106718682494355754517492431571412550 (0x7E782D2460B12EC1ADDD0798E82C6646)
完整名称                                    : D:\Y\pan\[美国][科幻][2009][阿凡达加长][最佳完美收藏版][全中文特效海量注释][国英双语 国英超全特效字幕][MKV 24G BD1080P.X265.10Bit]\A凡D.导演剪辑加长版.国配特效中英字幕.Avatar.2009.Extended.Collector's.Edition.1080p.BluRay.x265.DHD.MA.5.1.English&Mandarin.CHS-ENG.GYT.mkv
格式                                      : Matroska
格式版本                                    : Version 4
文件大小                                    : 24.3 GiB
持续时间                                    : 2 小时 58 分
混合码率模式                                  : 动态(VBR)
平均混合码率                                  : 19.5 Mb/s
编码日期                                    : UTC 2019-02-04 04:18:59
编码程序                                    : mkvmerge v28.2.0 ('The Awakening') 64-bit
编码函数库                                    : libebml v1.3.6 + libmatroska v1.4.9

视频
ID                                      : 1
格式                                      : HEVC
格式/信息                                    : High Efficiency Video Coding
格式概况                                    : Main@L5.1@High
编解码器ID                                  : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
持续时间                                    : 2 小时 58 分
码率                                      : 13.9 Mb/s
宽度                                      : 1 920 像素
高度                                      : 1 080 像素
画面比例                                    : 16:9
帧率模式                                    : 恒定
帧率                                      : 23.976 (24000/1001) 帧/秒
色彩空间                                    : YUV
色度抽样                                    : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
位深                                      : 8 位
数据密度【码率/(像素×帧率)】                        : 0.279
流大小                                      : 17.2 GiB (71%)
编码函数库                                    : x265 2.9+1-169e76b6bbcc:[Windows][GCC 8.2.0][64 bit] 8bit+10bit+12bit
编码设置                                    : cpuid=1111039 / frame-threads=8 / numa-pools=8 / wpp / no-pmode / no-pme / no-psnr / no-ssim / log-level=2 / input-csp=1 / input-res=1920x1080 / interlace=0 / total-frames=256290 / level-idc=51 / high-tier=1 / uhd-bd=0 / ref=3 / no-allow-non-conformance / no-repeat-headers / annexb / aud / no-hrd / info / hash=0 / no-temporal-layers / no-open-gop / min-keyint=1 / keyint=24 / gop-lookahead=0 / bframes=4 / b-adapt=2 / b-pyramid / bframe-bias=0 / rc-lookahead=25 / lookahead-slices=4 / scenecut=40 / radl=0 / no-intra-refresh / ctu=64 / min-cu-size=8 / no-rect / no-amp / max-tu-size=32 / tu-inter-depth=1 / tu-intra-depth=1 / limit-tu=0 / rdoq-level=0 / dynamic-rd=0.00 / no-ssim-rd / signhide / no-tskip / nr-intra=0 / nr-inter=0 / no-constrained-intra / strong-intra-smoothing / max-merge=2 / limit-refs=3 / no-limit-modes / me=1 / subme=2 / merange=57 / temporal-mvp / weightp / no-weightb / no-analyze-src-pics / deblock=0:0 / no-sao / no-sao-non-deblock / rd=3 / no-early-skip / rskip / no-fast-intra / no-tskip-fast / no-cu-lossless / no-b-intra / no-splitrd-skip / rdpenalty=0 / psy-rd=2.00 / psy-rdoq=0.00 / no-rd-refine / no-lossless / cbqpoffs=0 / crqpoffs=0 / rc=crf / crf=16.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpstep=4 / stats-write=0 / stats-read=0 / vbv-maxrate=160000 / vbv-bufsize=160000 / vbv-init=0.9 / crf-max=0.0 / crf-min=0.0 / ipratio=1.40 / pbratio=1.30 / aq-mode=1 / aq-strength=1.00 / cutree / zone-count=0 / no-strict-cbr / qg-size=32 / no-rc-grain / qpmax=69 / qpmin=0 / no-const-vbv / sar=1 / overscan=0 / videoformat=5 / range=0 / colorprim=2 / transfer=2 / colormatrix=2 / chromaloc=1 / chromaloc-top=2 / chromaloc-bottom=2 / display-window=0 / max-cll=0,0 / min-luma=0 / max-luma=255 / log2-max-poc-lsb=8 / vui-timing-info / vui-hrd-info / slices=1 / opt-qp-pps / opt-ref-list-length-pps / no-multi-pass-opt-rps / scenecut-bias=0.05 / no-opt-cu-delta-qp / no-aq-motion / no-hdr / no-hdr-opt / no-dhdr10-opt / no-idr-recovery-sei / analysis-reuse-level=5 / scale-factor=0 / refine-intra=0 / refine-inter=0 / refine-mv=0 / no-limit-sao / ctu-info=0 / no-lowpass-dct / refine-mv-type=0 / copy-pic=1 / max-ausize-factor=1.0 / no-dynamic-refine / no-single-sei
Default                                  : 是
Forced                                  : 否

音频 #1
ID                                      : 2
格式                                      : DTS XLL
格式/信息                                    : Digital Theater Systems
格式名称                                    : DTS-HD Master Audio
编解码器ID                                  : A_DTS
持续时间                                    : 2 小时 58 分
码率模式                                    : 动态(VBR)
码率                                      : 4 133 kb/s
声道                                      : 6 声道
ChannelLayout                            : C L R Ls Rs LFE
采样率                                      : 48.0 kHz
帧率                                      : 93.750 帧/秒 (512 SPF)
位深                                      : 24 位
压缩模式                                    : 无损
流大小                                      : 5.14 GiB (21%)
标题                                      : English
语言                                      : 英语 (English)
Default                                  : 否
Forced                                  : 否

音频 #2
ID                                      : 3
格式                                      : DTS
格式/信息                                    : Digital Theater Systems
编解码器ID                                  : A_DTS
持续时间                                    : 2 小时 58 分
码率模式                                    : 恒定(CBR)
码率                                      : 1 510 kb/s
声道                                      : 6 声道
ChannelLayout                            : C L R Ls Rs LFE
采样率                                      : 48.0 kHz
帧率                                      : 93.750 帧/秒 (512 SPF)
位深                                      : 24 位
压缩模式                                    : 有损压缩
流大小                                      : 1.88 GiB (8%)
标题                                      : Mandarin
语言                                      : 中文 (Chinese)
Default                                  : 是
Forced                                  : 否


RE: x265 thumbnail problem - Selur - 30.05.2020

Those files use different containers.
You can also create mkv files with Hybrid if your setup can't properly handle mp4(h.265).
In case you installed some codec pack that might also cause problems if it isn't properly configured.
Installing "HEVC Video Extension" from Microsoft Store might also help. (according to a quick google search)

Cu Selur


RE: x265 thumbnail problem - ssdde - 30.05.2020

(30.05.2020, 12:40)Selur Wrote: Those files use different containers.
You can also create mkv files with Hybrid if your setup can't properly handle mp4(h.265).
In case you installed some codec pack that might also cause problems if it isn't properly configured.
Installing "HEVC Video Extension" from Microsoft Store might also help. (according to a quick google search)

Cu Selur


only install Potplayer, no other codec pack

create mkv files with Hybrid using mkvtoolnix still has this two thumbnail problem, tried


create mkv files with Hybrid also has this two thumbnail problem


RE: x265 thumbnail problem - Selur - 30.05.2020

I tried this on my system and for Mp4(h.265) files installing 'HEVC Video Extension from Device Manufacturer' allowed windows to create thumbnails.
see: https://mspoweruser.com/heres-how-you-can-get-the-hevc-codec-from-microsoft-store-for-free/
Same should be true for the "HEVC Video Extension".

My guess if mkv files have the same issue Windows lags a system wide mkv splitter or the decoder has some problem with a feature of the file.

Cu Selur


RE: x265 thumbnail problem - ssdde - 30.05.2020

(30.05.2020, 13:05)Selur Wrote: I tried this on my system and for Mp4(h.265) files installing 'HEVC Video Extension from Device Manufacturer' allowed windows to create thumbnails.
see: https://mspoweruser.com/heres-how-you-can-get-the-hevc-codec-from-microsoft-store-for-free/
Same should be true for the "HEVC Video Extension".

My guess if mkv files have the same issue Windows lags a system wide mkv splitter or the decoder has some problem with a feature of the file.

Cu Selur


so you mean if win10 has this, can using Hybrid to encode that resolve the two problems?


but i don't think i need this,

However, this was added in v1809 so it won’t install codec automatically on previous versions of Windows 10.

i'm v1809 already, and other x265 files are OK, no problem, only encode by Hybrid x265 have these two problem.


RE: x265 thumbnail problem - Selur - 30.05.2020

This is not an issue of Hybrid.
This is an issue of your system having problems handling the files. The files are fine.

I'm using Windows 10, version 1909, build: 18363.836.
Here only mkv files do not show thumbnails and the only thing I did was install 'HEVC Video Extension from Device Manufacturer' like mentioned in the link I posted.
For mkv files to work Windows needs a special splitter.
Since I do not plan to install anything to support thumbnails in mkv on my system I can not really help you with that.
I thought the Icaros Shell Extensions would help with mkv files, if it doesn't I have no clue.

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