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Film grain appears to be reduced despite not attemping to remove grain or denoise - PJWong - 16.08.2024
(I'm new to this space, so please be patient with me!)
I'm digitizing VHS tapes for the first time and am using Hybrid for the sole purpose of deinterlacing, adjusting the pixel aspect ratio, resizing, and changing the color matrix. I'm not looking into "restoring" these tapes, at least for now, so I'm not interested in any de-noising, de-graining, sharpening, etc. and do not touch any of those filters in Hybrid. I'm simply looking to digitize some tapes, do the minimum amount of post-processing, and then upload to YouTube (hence the resizing/color matrix step, as YouTube has awful bitrate for SD content).
However, after processing one of the tapes, it appears there's less film grain/noise than before. It's not a huge difference, but I took some screenshots to compare side-to-side (left is the original avi and right is post-processed). There seems to be a noticeable reduction in grain and noise, which I can live with, but I also wanted to make sure I wasn't applying any kind of denoise/degrain filter by accident. I know the comparison pictures aren't frame perfect, but I think they're close enough to get the idea:
![[Image: 2s8Q1Za.jpeg]](https://i.imgur.com/2s8Q1Za.jpeg)
![[Image: wAhVyoZ.png]](https://i.imgur.com/wAhVyoZ.png)
![[Image: qOF8x5w.jpeg]](https://i.imgur.com/qOF8x5w.jpeg)
I don't know how to share my profile, but below are screenshots highlighting the only major changes I made from the Hybrid defaults:
![[Image: xkxVGTk.png]](https://i.imgur.com/xkxVGTk.png)
![[Image: BlmqDJi.png]](https://i.imgur.com/BlmqDJi.png)
![[Image: eTHIUEw.png]](https://i.imgur.com/eTHIUEw.png)
![[Image: EvN3LX1.png]](https://i.imgur.com/EvN3LX1.png)
![[Image: oeQ6wmg.png]](https://i.imgur.com/oeQ6wmg.png)
![[Image: o6cdFTc.png]](https://i.imgur.com/o6cdFTc.png)
Any reason why there appears to be less noise/film grain in the post-processed video when compared to the original? Any setting I may have overlooked, or incorrectly adjusted? Or is this just the natural consequence of using QTGMC to deinterlace? Or of using bicubic spline to resize? Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
RE: Film grain appears to be reduced despite not attemping to remove grain or denoise - Selur - 16.08.2024
Quote:Any reason why there appears to be less noise/film grain in the post-processed video when compared to the original?
- non-lossless compression
- you are filtering:
- QTGMC by default does tons of filtering what would denoise a bit. (especially the slower presets,... the 'fast' preset would probably keep more grain)
read: https://forum.selur.net/thread-3429.html and https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/404164
- NNEDI3: also has some filtering effects.
- QTGMC by default does tons of filtering what would denoise a bit. (especially the slower presets,... the 'fast' preset would probably keep more grain)
Cu Selur
RE: Film grain appears to be reduced despite not attemping to remove grain or denoise - PJWong - 16.08.2024
Doh, it's so obvious now that I think about, I feel a little silly for being confused earlier!
I appreciate you linking those threads, reading through them helped to put things into perspective. I've tweaked some QTGMC settings and now things look a lot closer to how I'd like! I appreciate your help and all the work that you do, Selur! Cheers!
