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Afaik UT Video is restricted to a specific color matrix&co.
![[Image: ut-video.png]](https://i.ibb.co/R3NT9zt/ut-video.png)
see: http://umezawa.dyndns.info/archive/utvid...me.en.html
-> tried to reprodue this, but couldn't:
General
Count : 342
Count of stream of this kind : 1
Kind of stream : General
Kind of stream : General
Stream identifier : 0
Unique ID : 11308791212817286323005182813680364818
Unique ID : 11308791212817286323005182813680364818 (0x881FE745E9C7FE961BBC2CB7346ED12)
Count of video streams : 1
Video_Format_List : YUV
Video_Format_WithHint_List : YUV (Ut Video)
Codecs Video : YUV
Complete name : e:\Output\test.mkv
Folder name : e:\Output
File name extension : test.mkv
File name : test
File extension : mkv
Format : Matroska
Format : Matroska
Format/Url : https://matroska.org/downloads/windows.html
Format/Extensions usually used : mkv mk3d mka mks
Commercial name : Matroska
Format version : Version 4
File size : 36838649
File size : 35.1 MiB
File size : 35 MiB
File size : 35 MiB
File size : 35.1 MiB
File size : 35.13 MiB
Duration : 17160
Duration : 17 s 160 ms
Duration : 17 s 160 ms
Duration : 17 s 160 ms
Duration : 00:00:17.160
Duration : 00:00:17:04
Duration : 00:00:17.160 (00:00:17:04)
Overall bit rate : 17174195
Overall bit rate : 17.2 Mb/s
Frame rate : 25.000
Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
Frame count : 429
Stream size : 22905
Stream size : 22.4 KiB (0%)
Stream size : 22 KiB
Stream size : 22 KiB
Stream size : 22.4 KiB
Stream size : 22.37 KiB
Stream size : 22.4 KiB (0%)
Proportion of this stream : 0.00062
IsStreamable : Yes
Title : Encoding TestClip
Movie name : Encoding TestClip
Encoded date : UTC 2022-07-26 03:12:15
File creation date : UTC 2022-07-26 03:10:14.419
File creation date (local) : 2022-07-26 05:10:14.419
File last modification date : UTC 2022-07-26 03:12:15.525
File last modification date (local) : 2022-07-26 05:12:15.525
Writing application : mkvmerge v69.0.0 ('Day And Age') 64-bit
Writing application : mkvmerge v69.0.0 ('Day And Age') 64-bit
Writing library : libebml v1.4.2 + libmatroska v1.6.4 / Lavf59.28.100
Writing library : libebml v1.4.2 + libmatroska v1.6.4 / Lavf59.28.100
Copyright : CopyrightTest
Comment : Kleiner Testclip den ich zum Testen verwende
ARTIST : AutorTest
DATE : Heute
Encoding Gui : Hybrid 2022.07.24.1
GENRE : Documentary
IKEY : Hitler
IRTD : Unrated
ISGN : Drama
Language : Undefined
PRODUCT : Movie
SOFTWARE : VirtualDub build 29393/releaseNandub v1.0rc2
SUBJECT : downfall of Hitler
Video
Count : 381
Count of stream of this kind : 1
Kind of stream : Video
Kind of stream : Video
Stream identifier : 0
StreamOrder : 0
ID : 1
ID : 1
Unique ID : 11110809036619597518
Format : YUV
Format : YUV
Commercial name : YUV
Codec ID : V_MS/VFW/FOURCC / ULY0
Codec ID/Info : Ut Video Lossless Codec
Codec ID/Hint : Ut Video
Codec ID/Url : http://umezawa.dyndns.info/archive/utvideo
Duration : 17160.000000
Duration : 17 s 160 ms
Duration : 17 s 160 ms
Duration : 17 s 160 ms
Duration : 00:00:17.160
Duration : 00:00:17:04
Duration : 00:00:17.160 (00:00:17:04)
Bit rate : 17163517
Bit rate : 17.2 Mb/s
Width : 640
Width : 640 pixels
Height : 352
Height : 352 pixels
Pixel aspect ratio : 1.000
Display aspect ratio : 1.818
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : CFR
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 25.000
Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
Frame count : 429
Color space : YUV / YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Compression mode : Lossless
Compression mode : Lossless
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 3.047
Delay : 0
Delay : 00:00:00.000
Delay : 00:00:00:00
Delay : 00:00:00.000 (00:00:00:00)
Delay, origin : Container
Delay, origin : Container
Stream size : 36815744
Stream size : 35.1 MiB (100%)
Stream size : 35 MiB
Stream size : 35 MiB
Stream size : 35.1 MiB
Stream size : 35.11 MiB
Stream size : 35.1 MiB (100%)
Proportion of this stream : 0.99938
Writing library : Lavc59.38.100 utvideo
Writing library : Lavc59.38.100 utvideo
Default : Yes
Default : Yes
Forced : Yes
Forced : Yes
colour_description_present : Yes
colour_description_present_Source : Container
Color range : Limited
colour_range_Source : Container
Color primaries : Generic film
colour_primaries_Source : Container
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
transfer_characteristics_Source : Container
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
matrix_coefficients_Source : Container
Overwriting ULYOs color matrix&transfer from bt470bg to bt709 worked fine here.
-> share a debug output of it and I can look at it after work.
Cu Selur
Ps.: Also no need to send me a pm to look at a thread/post, I get notifications for everything, but I do need some sleep from time to time.
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This is strange... I can confirm that ULYO and "advanced signaling" matrix+primaries+transfer bt.709 works fine.
MediaInfo:
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
ffprobe:
yuv420p(tv, bt470bg/bt709/bt709)
However, ULYO and "advanced signaling" matrix+primaries SMPTE 170M and transfer bt.709 does not work:
MediaInfo:
Color primaries : BT.601 NTSC
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.601 // <-- this should be "NTSC", otherwise it is BT.470BG
ffprobe:
yuv420p(tv, bt470bg/smpte170m/bt709) // <-- as noted above, matrix becomes PAL, but we want it to be NTSC like the primaries
Please try this scenario and let me know if you can repro. If not, I promise I will send debug logs immediately.
Thanks!
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did some testing:
ULYO +
Matrix: BT470G
Range: Bradcast Range
Trasfer Matrix: SMTPE 170M
Primaries: ITU-R BT-470G
->
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.601 PAL
Transfer characteristics : BT.601
Matrix coefficients : BT.470 System B/G
ULYO +
Matrix: BT470G
Range: Bradcast Range
Trasfer Matrix: SMTPE 170M
Primaries: SMTPE 170M
->
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.601 NTSC
Transfer characteristics : BT.601
Matrix coefficients : BT.470 System B/G
ULYO +
Matrix: BT470G
Range: Bradcast Range
Trasfer Matrix: SMTPE 170M
Primaries: SMTPE 240M
->
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : SMPTE 240M
Transfer characteristics : BT.601
Matrix coefficients : BT.470 System B/G
ULYO +
Matrix: SMTPE 170M
Range: Bradcast Range
Trasfer Matrix: SMTPE 240M
Primaries: SMTPE 240M
->
Color range : Limited
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : SMPTE 240M
Transfer characteristics : SMPTE 240M
Matrix coefficients : BT.601
ULYO +
Matrix: SMPTE 240M
Range: Bradcast Range
Trasfer Matrix: ITU-R BT.709
Primaries: SMTPE 240M
->
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.601 NTSC
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.470 System B/G
ULYO +
Matrix: BT709
Range: Bradcast Range
Trasfer Matrix: ITU-R BT.709
Primaries: SMTPE 240M
->
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.601 NTSC
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
ULYO +
Matrix: BT709
Range: Bradcast Range
Trasfer Matrix: ITU-R BT.709
Primaries: ITU-R BT.709
->
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
it may be that I didn't get enough sleep, but I don't see what isn't working,...
Cu Selur
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ULYO +
Matrix: SMPTE 240M
Range: Bradcast Range
Trasfer Matrix: ITU-R BT.709
Primaries: SMTPE 240M
->
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.601 NTSC
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.470 System B/G
Primaries: SMTPE 240M != BT.601 NTSC (SMTPE 170M)
Transfer: BT.709 == BT.709
Matrix: SMTPE 240M != BT.470 System B/G
SMTPE 240M primaries are functionally equivalent to BT.601 NTSC (SMTPE 170M) primaries, but they are still different indexes in the H.273 coding (6 vs. 7).
Check https://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-H.273/en page 5. MKV supports both ( https://mkvtoolnix.download/doc/mkvmerge.html) so I don't see a reason it would get changed.
SMTPE 240M matrix and BT.470 System B/G matrix are completely different however, and this is the big problem.
SMTPE 240M matrix:
KR = 0.212; KB = 0.087
BT.470 System B/G matrix:
KR = 0.299; KB = 0.114
The same thing happens if you use SMTPE 170M as matrix (the BT.601 NTSC standard). It gets converted to BT.470 System B/G (the BT.601 PAL standard).
Source: https://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-H.273/en
Also, may I recommend using ffprobe for this instead of MediaInfo since the former gives the actual codename of the color profile, versus the generic name of the latter (bt.601, bt.601 ntsc, bt.601 pal, etc.)
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27.07.2022, 16:11
(This post was last modified: 27.07.2022, 16:13 by Selur.)
My point is, that from what I see Hybrid does the flagging correctly or do you see a mistake in the mkvmerge command line and/or the resulting output?
Looking at https://mkvtoolnix.download/doc/mkvmerge.html:
Matrix:
--color-matrix-coefficients TID:n
Sets the matrix coefficients of the video used to derive luma and chroma values from red, green and blue color primaries. The parameter n is an integer rangeing from 0 and 10.
Valid values and their meaning are:
0: GBR, 1: BT709, 2: unspecified, 3: reserved, 4: FCC, 5: BT470BG, 6: SMPTE 170M, 7: SMPTE 240M, 8: YCOCG, 9: BT2020 non-constant luminance, 10: BT2020 constant luminance
values.clear();
values << QString("GBR");
values << QString("BT709");
values << QString("Unspecified");
values << QString("Reserved");
values << QString("FCC");
values << QString("BT470BG");
values << QString("SMPTE 170M");
values << QString("SMPTE 240M");
values << QString("YCGCO");
values << QString("BT2020 Non-constant Luminance");
values << QString("BT2020 Constant Luminance");
this->addListField(QString("mkvColorMatrix"), values.at(0), values, false);
(from Hybrid source code)
Transfer:
--color-transfer-characteristics TID:n
The transfer characteristics of the video.
Valid values and their meaning are:
0: reserved, 1: ITU-R BT.709, 2: unspecified, 3: reserved, 4: gamma 2.2 curve, 5: gamma 2.8 curve, 6: SMPTE 170M, 7: SMPTE 240M, 8: linear, 9: log, 10: log sqrt, 11: IEC 61966-2-4, 12: ITU-R BT.1361 extended color gamut, 13: IEC 61966-2-1, 14: ITU-R BT.2020 10 bit, 15: ITU-R BT.2020 12 bit, 16: SMPTE ST 2084, 17: SMPTE ST 428-1; 18: ARIB STD-B67 (HLG)
values.clear();
values << QString("Reserved");
values << QString("ITU-R BT.709");
values << QString("Unspecified");
values << QString("Reserved");
values << QString("Gamma 2.2 curve");
values << QString("Gamma 2.8 curve");
values << QString("SMPTE 170M");
values << QString("SMPTE 240M");
values << QString("Linear");
values << QString("Log");
values << QString("Log Sqrt");
values << QString("IEC 61966-2-4");
values << QString("ITU-R BT.1361 Extended Colour Gamut");
values << QString("IEC 61966-2-1");
values << QString("ITU-R BT.2020 10 bit");
values << QString("ITU-R BT.2020 12 bit");
values << QString("SMPTE ST 2084");
values << QString("SMPTE ST 428-1");
values << QString("ARIB STD-B67 (HLG)");
this->addListField(QString("mkvColorTransferCharacteristics"), values.at(0), values, false);
(from Hybrid source code)
Primaries:
--color-primaries TID:n
Sets the color primaries of the video.
Valid values and their meaning are:
0: reserved, 1: ITU-R BT.709, 2: unspecified, 3: reserved, 4: ITU-R BT.470M, 5: ITU-R BT.470BG, 6: SMPTE 170M, 7: SMPTE 240M, 8: FILM, 9: ITU-R BT.2020, 10: SMPTE ST 428-1, 22: JEDEC P22 phosphors
values.clear();
values << QString("Reserved");
values << QString("ITU-R BT.709");
values << QString("Unspecified");
values << QString("Reserved");
values << QString("ITU-R BT.470M");
values << QString("ITU-R BT.470BG");
values << QString("SMPTE 170M");
values << QString("SMPTE 240M");
values << QString("FILM");
values << QString("ITU-R BT.2020");
values << QString("SMPTE ST 428-1");
values << QString("JEDEC P22 phosphors");
this->addListField(QString("mkvColourPrimaries"), values.at(0), values, false);
The flagging seems to match what Hybrid offers.
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I think there's a misunderstanding here. I am not claiming that Hybrid incorrectly maps the color profiles to the appropriate mkvmerge index. The issue is that if you set "--colour-matrix-coefficients 0:6" (6=SMPTE 170M, BT.601 NTSC), either via "MKV advanced signaling" or via "customMkvmergeAddition", the output MKV file will have the matrix set to BT.470BG, which is "--colour-matrix-coefficients 0:5" (BT.601 PAL). Therefore, it is currently impossible to produce a final MKV file using UTVideo that will have the matrix set to BT.601 NTSC (SMPTE 170M).
If I run mkvmerge myself from Hybrid's directory like: "mkvmerge.exe -o fixed.mkv --colour-matrix-coefficients 0:6 bad.mkv", this time it actually works - the output MKV file has matrix set to BT.601 NTSC (SMPTE 170M). So the problem is not in mkvmerge or ffprobe/MediaInfo.
Random note: apparently mkvmerge uses "color" or "colour" based on your computer's regional settings, and since mine are set to UK... crazy 
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27.07.2022, 16:41
(This post was last modified: 27.07.2022, 16:42 by Selur.)
Okay, I can reproduce the issue:
I:\Hybrid\64bit>mkvmerge --ui-language en -o "E:\Output\using5.mkv" --global-tags "E:\Output\mkvtags_2022-07-27@16_31_24_2910__02.xml" -d 0 --default-track 0:yes --colour-matrix 0:5 --default-duration "0:25/1fps" --aspect-ratio-factor 0:1/1 --fourcc 0:MP4V --no-chapters --compression -1:none --forced-track 0:yes --field-order 0:0 --no-audio --no-subtitles "E:\Output\2022-07-27@16_31_24_2910_01.264"
mkvmerge v69.0.0 ('Day And Age') 64-bit
'E:\Output\2022-07-27@16_31_24_2910_01.264': Using the demultiplexer for the format 'AVC/H.264'.
'E:\Output\2022-07-27@16_31_24_2910_01.264' track 0: Using the output module for the format 'AVC/H.264 (unframed)'.
The file 'E:\Output\using5.mkv' has been opened for writing.
Progress: 100%
The cue entries (the index) are being written...
Multiplexing took 0 seconds.
results in:
I:\Hybrid\64bit>ffprobe.exe -hide_banner "E:\Output\using5.mkv"
Input #0, matroska,webm, from 'E:\Output\using5.mkv':
Metadata:
encoder : libebml v1.4.2 + libmatroska v1.6.4
creation_time : 2022-07-27T14:34:33.000000Z
Encoding Gui : Hybrid 2022.07.24.1
Duration: 00:00:17.16, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 428 kb/s
Stream #0:0: Video: h264 (High), yuv420p(tv, bt470bg/unknown/unknown, progressive), 640x352 [SAR 1:1 DAR 20:11], 25 fps, 25 tbr, 1k tbn (default) (forced)
Metadata:
BPS : 423867
DURATION : 00:00:17.160000000
NUMBER_OF_FRAMES: 429
NUMBER_OF_BYTES : 909196
_STATISTICS_WRITING_APP: mkvmerge v69.0.0 ('Day And Age') 64-bit
_STATISTICS_WRITING_DATE_UTC: 2022-07-27 14:34:33
_STATISTICS_TAGS: BPS DURATION NUMBER_OF_FRAMES NUMBER_OF_BYTES
I:\Hybrid\64bit>mkvmerge --ui-language en -o "E:\Output\using6.mkv" --global-tags "E:\Output\mkvtags_2022-07-27@16_31_24_2910__02.xml" -d 0 --default-track 0:yes --colour-matrix 0:6 --default-duration "0:25/1fps" --aspect-ratio-factor 0:1/1 --fourcc 0:MP4V --no-chapters --compression -1:none --forced-track 0:yes --field-order 0:0 --no-audio --no-subtitles "E:\Output\2022-07-27@16_31_24_2910_01.264"
mkvmerge v69.0.0 ('Day And Age') 64-bit
'E:\Output\2022-07-27@16_31_24_2910_01.264': Using the demultiplexer for the format 'AVC/H.264'.
'E:\Output\2022-07-27@16_31_24_2910_01.264' track 0: Using the output module for the format 'AVC/H.264 (unframed)'.
The file 'E:\Output\using6.mkv' has been opened for writing.
Progress: 100%
The cue entries (the index) are being written...
Multiplexing took 0 seconds.
results in:
I:\Hybrid\64bit>ffprobe.exe -hide_banner "E:\Output\using6.mkv"
Input #0, matroska,webm, from 'E:\Output\using6.mkv':
Metadata:
encoder : libebml v1.4.2 + libmatroska v1.6.4
creation_time : 2022-07-27T14:34:48.000000Z
Encoding Gui : Hybrid 2022.07.24.1
Duration: 00:00:17.16, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 428 kb/s
Stream #0:0: Video: h264 (High), yuv420p(tv, bt470bg/unknown/unknown, progressive), 640x352 [SAR 1:1 DAR 20:11], 25 fps, 25 tbr, 1k tbn (default) (forced)
Metadata:
BPS : 423867
DURATION : 00:00:17.160000000
NUMBER_OF_FRAMES: 429
NUMBER_OF_BYTES : 909196
_STATISTICS_WRITING_APP: mkvmerge v69.0.0 ('Day And Age') 64-bit
_STATISTICS_WRITING_DATE_UTC: 2022-07-27 14:34:48
_STATISTICS_TAGS: BPS DURATION NUMBER_OF_FRAMES NUMBER_OF_BYTES
=> They both seem to be the same.
Then I looked at the output of mkvinfo for '0:5':
mkvinfo.exe e:\Output\using5.mkv
+ EBML head
|+ EBML version: 1
|+ EBML read version: 1
|+ Maximum EBML ID length: 4
|+ Maximum EBML size length: 8
|+ Document type: matroska
|+ Document type version: 4
|+ Document type read version: 2
+ Segment: size 918083
|+ Seek head (subentries will be skipped)
|+ EBML void: size 4029
|+ Segment information
| + Timestamp scale: 1000000
| + Multiplexing application: libebml v1.4.2 + libmatroska v1.6.4
| + Writing application: mkvmerge v69.0.0 ('Day And Age') 64-bit
| + Duration: 00:00:17.160000000
| + Date: 2022-07-27 14:34:33 UTC
| + Segment UID: 0x59 0xb4 0x7e 0x89 0x38 0xec 0x06 0x0d 0x5e 0xd5 0x3e 0x11 0x3f 0x07 0xd5 0xb5
|+ Tracks
| + Track
| + Track number: 1 (track ID for mkvmerge & mkvextract: 0)
| + Track UID: 6042237195334530328
| + Track type: video
| + "Forced display" flag: 1
| + "Lacing" flag: 0
| + Codec ID: V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
| + Default duration: 00:00:00.040000000 (25.000 frames/fields per second for a video track)
| + Language: und
| + Language (IETF BCP 47): und
| + Video track
| + Field order: 0 (progressive)
| + Pixel width: 640
| + Pixel height: 352
| + Display width: 640
| + Display height: 352
| + Video color information
| + Color matrix coefficients: 5
| + Codec's private data: size 45 (H.264 profile: High @L4.1)
|+ EBML void: size 1008
|+ Cluster
for '0:6':
mkvinfo.exe e:\Output\using6.mkv
+ EBML head
|+ EBML version: 1
|+ EBML read version: 1
|+ Maximum EBML ID length: 4
|+ Maximum EBML size length: 8
|+ Document type: matroska
|+ Document type version: 4
|+ Document type read version: 2
+ Segment: size 918083
|+ Seek head (subentries will be skipped)
|+ EBML void: size 4029
|+ Segment information
| + Timestamp scale: 1000000
| + Multiplexing application: libebml v1.4.2 + libmatroska v1.6.4
| + Writing application: mkvmerge v69.0.0 ('Day And Age') 64-bit
| + Duration: 00:00:17.160000000
| + Date: 2022-07-27 14:34:48 UTC
| + Segment UID: 0x4a 0x1b 0xe3 0x5d 0x07 0xc9 0x95 0x82 0x9f 0xd7 0x78 0xd2 0x03 0x46 0xf9 0xce
|+ Tracks
| + Track
| + Track number: 1 (track ID for mkvmerge & mkvextract: 0)
| + Track UID: 17105722522197096261
| + Track type: video
| + "Forced display" flag: 1
| + "Lacing" flag: 0
| + Codec ID: V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
| + Default duration: 00:00:00.040000000 (25.000 frames/fields per second for a video track)
| + Language: und
| + Language (IETF BCP 47): und
| + Video track
| + Field order: 0 (progressive)
| + Pixel width: 640
| + Pixel height: 352
| + Display width: 640
| + Display height: 352
| + Video color information
| + Color matrix coefficients: 6
| + Codec's private data: size 45 (H.264 profile: High @L4.1)
|+ EBML void: size 1008
|+ Cluster
-> seems to me like a bug in ffmpeg.
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You are right! I don't know what I was doing yesterday when I thought that I could get ffprobe to show smpte170m as matrix, I think I may have accidentally ran it on an mp4 instead of mkv. Seems like ffmpeg assumes the matrix to be bt470bg only for UTVideo and doesn't care to look at the mkv signaling. No clue why MediaInfo shows "BT.601" instead of "BT.601 NTSC", but if mkvmerge itself can print the correct index, then the data must be correctly written. Sorry for the noise and appreciate your help as always!!
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